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TOPIC: Green Myths on Global Warming

Re: Green Myths on Global Warning 2 years, 1 month ago #31

Great, glad to have you on board Keith. So we have agreement - aiming for a more efficient form of human activity in terms of energy use, transport (yes, including sensible cars) and food. I think we can also agree on the not screwing people bit and not profiteering too (might be getting a bit utopian there but I'm up for it if you are!). Can Bob and Paul come to this meeting of minds too?
Last Edit: 2 years, 1 month ago by Scott Buckler.

Re: Green Myths on Global Warning 2 years, 1 month ago #32

Jez, any meaningful inquiry has to have terms of reference that cover all the serious issues raised by the Climategate emails, and should consist of genuinely independent people from both sides of the argument - rather than being made up of global warming industry beneficiaries or true believers. The inquiries failed to do this.

Your claimed scientific consensus is constructed by the climategate scientists who have an undue influence on the peer review process and the IPCC reports - we could see strong evidence of this in the climategate emails.

As for your own consensus, I don't believe in wealth redistribution - I believe in wealth creation. Socialism always runs out of other peoples money.

Re: Green Myths on Global Warning 2 years, 1 month ago #33

Jez - What about your stereotypical claim about fat drivers - I see fat public transport users, pedestrians and cyclists?

Re: Green Myths on Global Warning 2 years, 1 month ago #34

Today, DECC have published a letter sent by Chris Huhne to Lord Lawson of the Global Warming Policy Foundation, www.decc.gov.uk/en/content/cms/news/sos_...rn/sos_law_turn.aspx . Benny Pieser of the Foundation will be speaking at next weeks conference, what would forum members ask Benny? Leave your suggestions here and we can deliver them to him for consideration.

Re: Green Myths on Global Warning 2 years, 1 month ago #35

I'm sure Benny Peiser will have plenty of questions, such as: why does he think that the IPCC should be reformed, and how? What solutions to replacing carbon fuels do the GWPF suggest?
I assume that the other panelists will be asked questions? As for Chris Huhne's letter, it simply repeats the standard defences of an indefensible position. The IPCC is not what it seems or is claimed to be when someone can be bothered to scrutinise it: www.thegwpf.org/the-observatory/4406-ros...ipcc-or-fold-it.html IPCC climate models of climate sensitivity for a doubling of CO2 have a range from 1.1C to 6.4C, selcting 3.0C is just the mid point - models aren't proven reality. IPCC models have failed on all counts. Huhne neglects the evidence for 'negative feedback' and the many other factors that determine climate. He makes the claim for 'extreme events' that isn't supported by the literature - no link has been established between CO2 and extreme events. The IPCC have now backed away from their 2007 position on extreme weather events such as hurricanes, which was demonstrably wrong at the time anyway, further demonstrated by the latest leaked 'climategate' emails: rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/2011/11/foia2...-shameful-paper.html How anyone could seriously promote humans being able to control the temperature of a planet to within 2C beggars belief. Utter tosh. Still, Huhne might not be around much longer if he is found guilty of offsetting speeding points rather than carbon!

Re: Green Myths on Global Warning 2 years, 1 month ago #36

I didn't say temperatures have fallen, but they haven't risen as the IPCC told us they would despite an increase in CO2, so maybe CO2 isnt the problem!

Re: Green Myths on Global Warning 2 years, 1 month ago #37

Lords Lawson and Turnbull respond to Huhne: thegwpf.org/uk-news/4425-lord-lawson-a-l...-to-chris-huhne.html

Re: Green Myths on Global Warming 2 years, 1 month ago #38

This is a great thread as its really getting people excited. For my part I love my cars and motorcycles and just because I'm an air quality practitioner does not mean I aspire to a Toyota Prius (my passion is Audi Quattros and currently a 450cc Yamaha enduro bike).
Aside from the global warming denial debate, the fact is that oil is a finite resource. I'm a beliver in the GAIA theories and this planet has a knack of keeping its equilibria in balance for tens of thousands of years at a time. However every so often something trips it over the buffering effect (like a meteorite hitting the planet) and that makes a few changes (sic). Its not Jeremy Clarksons six litre Merc' that's the problem; its finite resources and too many people wanting to use them up rather quickly.

Re: Green Myths on Global Warming 2 years, 1 month ago #39

Steve - I drive a Honda Insight Hybrid - it's a great and economical car. I have no problem with developing viable alternatives to carbon fuels with a view to eventually replacing them. I don't subscribe to the demonstrably fake science of climate alamism as churned out by the UN panel. Nor do I subscribe to the highly damaging desire to abandon carbon fuels before we are ready. The 'finite source' has a long way to go before it runs out, so we do have time to develop alternatives not limited by Canutian climate control.

Re: Green Myths on Global Warming 2 years, 1 month ago #40

Not too sure who is getting 'excited' from the logical side of the debate Steve. So it's finite resources is the new global warming is it? Ah well no worries there mate. Nuclear power is almost infinite and indeed would support electric cars too. Then there is the massive discovery of Shale Gas off our coast and oil off Argentina too. So we all can relax then? Yes; so long as we ignore the people haters that is! Listen when you get old an infirm you will realise how dependent on all this you really are. Why is it the Green side all tend to be pasty faced and glum about everything? How can anyone be happy when worrying your heads about these things? Please allow others to enjoy life even if greens find that impossible!

Re: Green Myths on Global Warming 2 years ago #41

6th of December-

The UK has allocated more than two thirds of its Fast Start Finance, which is helping the poorest and most vulnerable to adapt to climate change, putting it well on track to meet its £1.5bn commitment by the end of 2012.

Developed countries pledged to provide approaching $30 billion of Fast Start Finance between 2010-12 at the Copenhagen climate talks in 2009, with the UK contributing £1.5bn.

Fast Start finance for 2011 and 2012 is funded from the UK government’s £2.9bn International Climate Fund (ICF).

Given the current financial climate should we be donating billions to fight climate change?
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